Een bericht uit een hoevenmailgroep over een Bowkwr/Ramey clinic

I was actually pretty upset after reading several accounts and
especially Yvonne's "notes" in THH on the Bowker/Ramey clinic. It
just made no sense to me from what I have discovered on my own. A
local equine chiropractor who went to that clinic and who has always
agreed with how I trim is now telling our mutual clients the bars
should not EVER be trimmed because they are what produces the sole!
SO I emailed Pete Ramey whom I know well enough to say he is a
sincere and sensible person that has a lot of knowledge and
experience with horses feet and I asked him what it was all about.
The problem seems mostly to be extreme over simplification on the
part of those who have been reporting what they think he said. I
would say that it also seems to have been pretty much over everyone's
head or else it just wasn't very well explained. Not having been
there myself I can't say which. (it does seem odd and a little scary
that so many people are presenting it the same way)

At any rate the way Pete explained it to me at made much more sense.
BTW, Pete does not agree with all of Bowker's "discoveries," either.
Anyway, the sole growing forward in the foot is referring only to the
growth forward that is the same as the rest of the foot (walls, bars
etc.) approximately 45 degrees, this is nothing new to many of us.
This would be the sole that grows from the solar corium which is
really the only place actual sole tubules are produced. The concept
that the "sole is generated from the bars" was a confused
interpretation of Bowker's observations that a hole drilled part way
through the sole just in front of the bar moves forward (migrates)
toward the apex of the frog with time. Now many of us have seen this
build up of material in that area next to the frog so there is no
dispute as to whether or not it exists, there are differing opinions,
however, as to what it actually is (I have my own theory as to what
it actually is).

The Strasser concept seems to be that it is overgrown bars that are
"leaking" forward and becoming ingrown into the sole. (someone
correct me if I have that wrong). Martha when I last saw her was
calling it "bristle". Bowker seems to feel it is produced by the
laminae and is the same materiel that reinforces the hoof wall as it
grows down and also is what produces the lamellar wedge when the
coffin bone is rotated. He does not say it is sole, but rather it
is "intertubular horn", a term I believe he made up to describe what
is not exactly sole or wall, but is made of specialized cells
that "flow" into and around the sole tubules (Martha's bristle"). He
also says he has found this same stuff showing up at the sole/wall
juncture, but I've not seen any evidence of this myself. So anyway,
he is NOT saying the bars are where the sole is generated (which I
have heard accredited to him from several attendees to that clinic)
only that it gets "reinforced" by the intertubular cells produced by
the bar laminae.

The "inside of the foot is like peanut butter" is actually referring
to the microscopically thin, somewhat viscous layers of keratin cells
immediately adjacent to the dermal laminae and is only in reference
to the texture of those layers (which technically are "inside the
foot"). So again, this is really nothing new, anyone who's dissected
a few hooves has seen this layer. (So for those who were wondering I
guess that would be smooth, not crunchy :)

Pete was also quick to point out that Bowker is a researcher, NOT a
clinician, so part of the problem could just be lack of a clear
presentation. (so maybe we should cut him a little slack)

Tanja-Bram schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 9:23:


Jammer dat je niet bij je naam geschreven hebt waar je woont Tanja,
Stop met toedieningen, geef het paard dag en nacht beweging, met andere woorden: NIET op stal. haal ijzers eraf, laat een professioneel natuurlijk bekapper bekappen, (kijk in de lijst) geef je shet alleen zo mogelijk overjarig hooi of geweekt verser hooi, geen korrels!
Probeer, als het gaat , met haar te wandelen aan de hand, plak desnoods traagschuim pads onder de voetjes.
En overleg met de natuurlijk bekapper hoe de behandeling voort te zetten.
Veel sterkte ermee .
Piet

eddy DRUPPEL schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 10:57:


Iedereen heeft een verdedigbaar standpunt en eigenlijk moet je met die mensen in gesprek om te zien of je er iets aan kunt doen.
Er zijn verenigingen die dat heel goed kunnen, ook in Belgie
Slechte publiciteit daar zal zo'n faculteit niet blij mee zijn.
Maar mogelijk maakt dat de studie van Celia onmogelijk en dan is het de boodschapper die hangt.
Laten we zien of ze iets bereikt met het zoeken naar bewustwording van binnen uit.?

Coby schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 14:34:


Leuk weer eens wat van je te horen Coby!
Ik kan me nog herinneren dat het niet zo best ging met MacCloud toen je aan de cursus begon. Mooi dat het nu al 2 jaar Super gaat
Denk je dat je de voeten kunt fotograferen?
Zo is er heel moeilijk iets van te zeggen.

Piet

Malenka schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 13:22:


Helemaal mooi, ruw gras,zon, schaduw en als ze willen wat spieroefeningen. Als de afrastering goed is meteen doen toch?
En dan nog in Zeeland Waar ga je wonen?

Piet

Malenka schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 20:03:


Ah, op Teiland Tholen

Fred schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 21:23:


Interessant, dus je leert cursisten te ontijzeren.....
Terwijl je overal ( behalve hier) schrijft dat er geen doe -het- zelvers zouden moeten zijn?

Nick Altena schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 21:55:


Er zijn ook veel hoeven zonder ijzers waarvan je de nagelgaten en heel vaak het inbranden ziet en eigenlijk vind ik dat ik veel te vaak de ijzers er onderuit moet slopen, een hoop extra werk!

Piet

4bozzza schreef op woensdag 2 mei 2007, 23:04:


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